I’ve placed an order for fine tip (0.8mm) Generic Refills with premium German ink in Black and in Blue. These will be the standard D1 size metal refills which are 2.3 x 67mm and should be the same as our Generic Refills for Pulse, Echo and Sky pens except that they will be 67mm long instead of 57mm long.
I decided to start with the fine tip Generic Refills because Livescribe already supplies medium tip refills for the LS3. The genuine LS3 refills are much better than the refills that the company supplies for the Pulse/Echo/Sky but I’ll have to say that I still think that our premium German ink flows much more smoothly than what Livescribe is sourcing.
As soon as I hear, I’ll let you know when the production run has been completed!
Well, I finally got my iPad mini so that I could try out my new Livescribe 3 pen. As you can see from my post title, the sample refills did not fit the new Livescribe 3 pen. If you read Livescribe’s documentation for the LS-3, sometimes they say the refills are 2.5mm diameter and other times they say they are 2.35mm diameter; well they are NOT 2.5mm because these don’t seat all the way in the pen without sticking.
I will have to resubmit my order to my manufacturer for regular D1 ball point pen refills which are 2.3x67mm. Right now, from the emails that I’ve been receiving, I’m leaning towards ordering Fine tip refills in smooth-writing Black German ink and in smooth-writing Blue German ink. The refills that I ordered directly from Livescribe are medium tips and they actually write decently. But, I still think that the premium German ink writes more smoothly 😉
Well, I received my genuine Livescribe 3 refills from Livescribe and have compared them to the sample run of Generic Refills for Livescribe 3 that I had ordered and received this weekend.
Livescribe made an error in the technical specifications that they published for the Livescribe 3 refills… mistakes will happen 😦 They specify that the length of the Livescribe 3 refills is 67 mm (this is the industry standard for D1 refills) but they list the diameter as 2.5 mm (the industry standard is 2.3 mm). Using this information I requested samples from my manufacturer for refills with the smooth-writing German inks that you all like in 67 x 2.5 mm ball point pen refills.
Turns out that the actual refills from Livescribe for the LS3 are closer to the industry-standard D1 refills because they are 67 mm long x 2.35 mm diameter!
I’ll be getting my Livescribe 3 pen sometime next week but I think that the 2.5 mm diameter refills are going to be too fat. I’ve read some comments that the Livescribe 3 refills rattle a little bit so I’m going to wait to pass judgement until I can actually try to put these refills into my new Livescribe 3 pen. I’ll keep you all posted!
I’ve received samples from my manufacturer of Generic Refills with Swiss tips (0.5 mm) and Japanese gel ink! The Japanese are known for their fine tip gel ink refills which are excellent for drawing complicated Chinese characters. Honestly, I generally prefer ball point pen ink, especially our smooth-writing premium German ink! but these gel ink refills are nice writers. I can see switching out my ball point refill for gel ink if I’m making a sketch or a diagram. These might not be your best choice as your regular refill since they have a limited amount of ink. Most gel ink refills are really fat so that they can hold enough ink. It takes more gel ink to write a page of text than ball point pen ink… I think that is why a lot of people like the gel ink, it can really saturate the paper and makes the line pop with a lot of contrast. Also, the writing experience is different with gel ink which I believe is water-based. Think of ball point pen ink as packing more dye per drop than gel ink; but gel ink can use different dyes because its water-based.
I’ll keep you posted on my evaluation of these Gel-ink Generic Refills.
I’ve had one enquiry about sourcing Generic Refills for the new Livescribe 3 pen. I still have not received my order of Livescribe 3 refills from Livescribe, so I don’t know how well or how poorly they write. If any of you out there have any experiences to share, I’d love to post your thoughts here!
Let me know if you prefer blue or black, medium or fine tip, or any other colors like red or green…
Within the next few weeks, I should receive the Generic Refills I’ve requested (from my manufacturer) for the new Livescribe 3. I’ll keep you posted!
Livescribe is coming out with a new smartpen! Called the Livescribe 3, it pairs via Bluetooth with your iOS7 mobile device. Looks like they’ve got an app that does handwriting recognition and then lets you use that text with your calendar and other apps.
One feature is that audio is no longer recorded by the pen. That heavy lifting is done by your iPhone, iPad or iPod and playback is thru those devices. The Livescribe 3 has no display and has no speaker. The pen status is provided by a colored LED.
Its nice that Livescribe admitted to “scratchy” sounds recorded by the earlier pens’ microphones. That is almost admitting that their pen refills didn’t write well! 🙂 but it is even funnier that they tout the recording of audio by iOS devices as a way to remedy these annoying “scratchy” sounds! LOL… much more straightforward to sell smooth-writing refills IMHO!
A nice change is that the pen’s ink cartridge retracts. The Livescribe 3 is a “twist” style pen and no longer has a ON/OFF button. I have to admit that sometimes, I forget to turn my Sky pen on and was forced to “re-write” some of my notes. When you twist the Livescribe 3 to extend the ink cartridge, the pen automatically turns on and pairs with your iOS device.
The company has different ink cartridges for the Livescribe 3. I will order some Livescribe 3 refills to see how well they write, as soon as their website comes up again (it just now seems to have a “can not connect to upstream server” error). The company has gone with the standard D1 refill length (67 mm) but gone with a non-standard diameter (2.5 mm instead of 2.3 mm). This might mean more ink per refill because of the larger diameter, possibly up to 18% more ink (if my memory of geometry serves me well). We know that the 67 mm length D1 refills didn’t seem to contain more ink than the 57 mm long refills made for Livescribe since they appeared to be filled to the same final length.
I did notice that on their video, that the ink cartridge did leave a “bleb” of ink once or twice as it touched the paper. We won’t really know how they write until we’ve used them for a while. Livescribe has gone with a tungsten-carbide tip which is not unusual for ball point pen refills.
I will emphasize this on my listings: current Generic Refills for Livescribe pens ONLY fit the Pulse, Echo and Sky wifi pens. They are too short for the new Livescribe 3. I’m checking with my manufacturer to see if its feasible for Generic Refills to stock this new refill format.
Here are some links to explore. I’ve only been to the Livescribe.com site so far.
Black refills are finally showing “in stock” at Amazon. Its been seven days since I shipped them and a few days since they arrived at the Amazon fulfillment center. Don’t forget, you can always buy direct from the source! check out the links in the sidebar or the “buy” tab at the top of the page. Right now, eBay buyers are snapping up black refills!
No, not the rain-forest… I’ll drop off a case of fine and a case of medium black ink refills at UPS to ship to an Amazon fulfillment center in Pennsylvania. It’ll probably be 5 -10 business days before it gets to Amazon, gets checked in and then it’ll finally be available for sale online. In the meantime, you can purchase smooth-writing black ink refills directly from me or thru eBay. Use the links to check out feedback and then stock up on some really nice refills for your Livescribe pen!
15 business days from dropping off at the US Post Office to receiving feedback on eBay. No more outstanding International shipments from eBay or GenericRefills that I am aware of… If you ordered via Amazon or via eBay Global Shipping, I’m not posting any updates for your shipping on the blog.
I realized that I could put my listing up on Amazon right away if I do the fulfillment (that’s order management, packing, shipping and customer service). I just got all of the needed information uploaded to Amazon: description, image, keywords, dimensions, weight, UPC codes etc. I checked and everything looks good. The only change is that the black refills are listed in the “Office Supplies” section of Amazon instead of electronics. Hopefully this will only increase their visibility.
If you notice that our black ink refills are not showing up on your Amazon searches, please leave a comment so that we can try to figure out what is going on. It’s crazy but if our item doesn’t show up on the first page of results, we are doomed. Just moving a space or two up the list seems to affect sales! We definitely want Livescribers to see our Generic Refills, so everyone can fall in love with their Livescribe pen, again!